> ## Content Index > Fetch the complete content index at: https://www.ceo.com/llms.txt > Use this file to discover other available public pages before exploring further. # NTT Security Deputy CSO John Petrie: Navigating current global security and war - URL: https://www.ceo.com/episodes/ntt-security-deputy-cso-john-petrie/ - Published: 2023-11-09T11:00:02.000Z - Updated: 2026-08-31T01:00:52.000Z - Description: A Marine-turned-global-security executive laid out what was coming. - Author: Clint Betts # What John Petrie got right John Petrie sat down with the CEO.com Podcast in October 2023, in the first days after the Hamas attack on Israel, and did something most executives are careful not to do. He made specific predictions. Hezbollah would turn the north into a real second front. Israel would fight house to house and tunnel to tunnel. American ground forces would stay out unless Iran entered the war directly, and if Iran did, somebody would have to step in to keep it from spreading. Economic instability, not ideology, would determine how long the fighting lasted. Nearly three years of evidence are now available. Most of what he described has happened. The scenario he called the tinderbox has not, and the reason it hasn't is worth as much attention as the rest. Petrie was, at the time, a senior security executive at NTT, the Japanese telecommunications conglomerate that runs [986 companies in more than 180 countries on over $110 billion in annual revenue](https://hackervalley.com/cyberranch/enterprise-security-architecture:-a-dollar110b-case-study-w-john-petrie/?ref=ceo.com). He described his own role as deputy CSO for the international business. His formal title was [Senior Vice President and Counsellor to the NTT Global CISO](https://www.leadcig.com/our-members?ref=ceo.com). Before that he was a Marine, a graduate of the Defense Intelligence College, and [a charter member of the Marine Corps Intelligence Association](https://www.rsaconference.com/experts/john-petrie?ref=ceo.com). He was in the Persian Gulf in 1979 and dealt with Hezbollah and other groups in Beirut in 1983. "I have experience in this area, and unfortunately, most of it has been negative," he said on the CEO.com Podcast. "I've seen this picture before." ## The second front Hezbollah [had begun firing rockets into Israel on October 8, 2023](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hezbollah-ceasefire-netanyahu-war-lebanon-gaza-hamas/?ref=ceo.com), the day after the Hamas attack, so Petrie was reading a signal already on the board. He used it to forecast where they would go. "I think the second thing that Israel has to be concerned about is a two-front war," he said. "Hezbollah is much more capable than Hamas is, although Hamas had huge successes in the context of warfare. But Hezbollah is more sophisticated with their weaponry." It took 11 months. Israel escalated sharply in September 2024, killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, and launched ground operations in southern Lebanon. A ceasefire brokered by the United States and France [took effect at 4 a.m. on November 27, 2024](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hezbollah-ceasefire-netanyahu-war-lebanon-gaza-hamas/?ref=ceo.com). Lebanon's health ministry counted almost 3,800 dead and about 16,000 wounded. ## Iran, and the line Petrie drew On American involvement, he was careful, and he drew a specific line. "Do we get US forces on the ground? I don't think we do unless Iran directly gets involved," he said. "However, if Iran does get involved, I think somebody's going to have to step in and prevent that from spreading." In June 2025, Israel struck Iranian nuclear facilities, scientists, and military leadership. Days later, the United States bombed Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan, [the first direct American military attack on Iran's nuclear program](https://www.justsecurity.org/114556/collection-israel-iran-conflict/?ref=ceo.com). Twelve days, then a ceasefire. That was the small version. On February 28, 2026, American and Israeli forces launched a joint campaign that [killed Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, the commander of the Revolutionary Guard, and the defense minister, and drew Iranian missile and drone retaliation against American bases and energy facilities across Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia](https://www.justsecurity.org/114556/collection-israel-iran-conflict/?ref=ceo.com). The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs said the operation ran [38 days and destroyed Iran's ballistic missile capability, its navy, and its defense industrial base](https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2026/04/peace-through-strength-operation-epic-fury-crushes-iranian-threat-as-ceasefire-takes-hold/?ref=ceo.com). The White House announced a ceasefire and the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz in April. The conflict is [still listed as ongoing](https://www.britannica.com/event/2026-Iran-war?ref=ceo.com). Petrie's line held. The United States entered when Iran entered, and it entered from the air and the sea. There has been no American ground invasion of Iran. ## Where the analysis broke The scenario Petrie called the tinderbox was simultaneity. Russia pushing in Ukraine, Iran escalating through proxies, and China moving on Taiwan while American forces were committed elsewhere. "How bad could it get? Could get really, really bad," he said. "And the United States, historically, has never fought a three-front war." China did not move on Taiwan. Pressure across the strait has continued and intensified, but there has been no blockade and no invasion. The squeeze arrived anyway, in a form Petrie did not name. [Trilateral talks between Ukraine, the United States, and Russia have been suspended since February 2026, when the war in Iran broke out](https://english.nv.ua/nation/russia-shows-no-signs-of-ceasefire-readiness-on-the-battlefield-50633527.html?ref=ceo.com). Russian forces kept advancing in the east through the summer while American attention sat in the Persian Gulf. Petrie predicted a bind produced by three simultaneous wars. What arrived was a bind produced by two, and it was enough to freeze the diplomacy on the third. There has been no world war and no nuclear use. On his darkest scenario, Petrie was wrong, and it is the kind of wrong nobody minds. ## The standard he set for Israel, and what the record says The most demanding thing Petrie said had nothing to do with prediction. Asked what proper tactics looked like in Gaza, he set a bar above the legal minimum. "They have to execute the campaign within the laws of war," he said. "Bottom line is that they're going to have to exceed the laws of war. They're going to have to be extremely sensitive. They're going to have to be extremely cautious, and that's difficult to do in wartime." He tied a consequence to it. Meet that standard, he said, and Israel keeps the support of like-minded nations. The record since is contested and grim. In March 2024, the International Court of Justice reaffirmed the provisional measures it had ordered that January and, citing the spread of famine and starvation, [unanimously ordered Israel to ensure the unhindered provision at scale of humanitarian assistance throughout Gaza](https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203847?ref=ceo.com). In the same order, the Court called again for the immediate and unconditional release of the hostages held by Hamas. In November 2024 the International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, finding reasonable grounds to believe they bore criminal responsibility for [the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare](https://www.un.org/unispal/document/icc-arrest-warrant-netanyahu-21nov24/?ref=ceo.com). In August 2025, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification [confirmed famine in Gaza Governorate](https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipc-country-analysis/details-map/en/c/1159696/?ref=ceo.com). In September 2025, a UN Commission of Inquiry concluded that Israel had committed [four of the five genocidal acts defined by the 1948 Genocide Convention](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds?ref=ceo.com). Israel rejects all of it. Its Foreign Ministry [called the commission's report distorted and false and described the authors as Hamas proxies](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/un-commission-of-inquiry-accuses-israel-of-genocide-in-gaza-and-urges-global-action?ref=ceo.com). Israel refused to cooperate with the inquiry, accuses it of anti-Israel bias, and maintains it has fought in self-defense and within international law. About 1,200 people were killed in Israel on October 7\. Tens of thousands have been killed in Gaza since. Petrie predicted none of this. What he did was name the test, in public, at a moment when almost nobody was naming tests. Whether it was met is now a question for courts rather than podcasts. ## The economy, which he called correctly and for the right reason The last prediction is the one that landed closest to his own company. "In every war that you could go back in history, the lack of a stable economy has always driven the worst in people," Petrie said, "therefore, the extension of the time it takes to solve a war problem or to come to a peaceful solution." Iran closed the Strait of Hormuz shortly after the February 2026 strikes. [Roughly 84 percent of the crude that transits Hormuz goes to Asia](https://fortune.com/2026/03/21/iran-war-asia-energy-crisis-hormuz-oil-lng-stagflation/?ref=ceo.com), and the asymmetry showed up immediately in the price. West Texas Intermediate ran near $100 a barrel while Dubai crude passed $160\. QatarEnergy declared force majeure on deliveries after Iranian strikes on the world's largest LNG export hub. South Korea capped fuel prices for the first time in 30 years. Thailand told officials to work from home. Japan was squeezed hardest of the large economies, and in two directions at once. Prime Minister Sanae Takaichi released roughly 80 million barrels from the national petroleum reserve. She also had to answer American pressure to help reopen the strait, and cited constitutional limits on the use of force as the reason for holding back. Petrie made his case for economic stability as a peace condition while sitting inside a company whose home market runs on tankers passing through that strait. He was describing his own exposure and did not say so. ## The leadership answer He would not be drawn on American politics. On leadership as a discipline, he was direct, and his complaint was definitional. "Nobody's really said that and nobody's really committed to what winning is, right?" he said. His model was General Al Gray, who [enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1950, made sergeant, took a commission in April 1952, and retired in June 1991 as the 29th Commandant](https://www.usmcu.edu/Research/Marine-Corps-History-Division/People/Whos-Who-in-Marine-Corps-History/Gagnon-Ingram/General-Alfred-M-Gray-Jr/?ref=ceo.com). [Gray died in March 2024](https://www.marines.mil/News/Press-Releases/Press-Release-Display/Article/3712838/death-of-general-alfred-m-gray-29th-commandant-of-the-marine-corps/?ref=ceo.com), five months after this conversation. "I think he was a Marine's Marine," Petrie said. "His only guiding principle was that leaders had to take the responsibility to take care of their Marines, no matter what the situations were; that was their first goal and objective. The second goal and objective was to win the battle." Asked how he stayed optimistic, he said he had grandchildren, and that a leader's job is to tell the truth and then put it in context. Petrie has since left NTT. His public profile now lists investment and advisory work rather than an operating role. His book [*From Private to CEO (And Some Stuff In Between)*](https://www.abebooks.com/9781951206000/Private-CEO-Stuff-Petrie-John-1951206002/plp?ref=ceo.com), published by Cumulus Publishing in 2019, covers the route from Marine private to chief executive, including the calls he would make differently. Every CEO.com Podcast interview ends on the premise that the chances one gives matter as much as the chances one takes. Petrie's list of people who gave him one is long, and he declined to read it aloud. He said the names are in the book. ```chapters 00:00:00 Introducing John Petrie and NTT Security 00:02:41 Assessing Current Global Security Risks 00:04:41 John's Personal History With Middle East Conflict 00:07:27 America's Role in the Israel-Hamas War 00:09:38 Divided US Public Opinion on Hamas 00:13:35 Risk of a Two-Front War for Israel 00:17:44 Can the US Sustain Multiple Conflicts 00:20:29 Putin, Xi, and a Coordinated Strategic Threat 00:25:25 The Importance of Leadership in Crisis 00:30:59 Israel's Warfare Tactics Against Hamas 00:34:46 Economic Instability and the Path to War 00:37:40 Staying Optimistic as a Leader 00:39:46 Mentors Who Shaped John's Career ``` ```vtt WEBVTT 00:00:09.674 --> 00:00:16.578 John,<00:00:10.238> thank<00:00:10.464> you<00:00:10.561> so<00:00:10.867> much<00:00:11.206> for<00:00:11.367> joining<00:00:11.932> the<00:00:12.013> show<00:00:12.964> and<00:00:13.142> talking<00:00:13.545> to<00:00:13.771> us,<00:00:14.029> talking<00:00:14.416> 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