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# Wizeline CEO Andres Angelani
- URL: https://www.ceo.com/episodes/wizeline-ceo-andres-angelani/
- Published: 2024-08-15T12:00:03.000Z
- Updated: 2026-08-29T23:18:08.000Z
- Description: The CEO of 3Pillar, formerly of Wizeline, on why the quiet in a meeting room tells you more than the talking.
- Author: Clint Betts

# The man who went to London without papers

In the early 2000s, Argentina's economy was collapsing, which is a thing it does, and a group of engineers in Buenos Aires noticed that the collapse had made them cheap. A programmer paid in pesos could undercut anyone in New York or London and still be good. They started a company on that arithmetic. Andres Angelani was one of the first people to join.

Somebody had to go open the UK office. Angelani had no work authorization, but his family was Italian, and an Italian passport meant he could live in London. One of the founders told him to go.

"Without that person who trusted me, I wouldn't have been able to do that," Angelani told the CEO.com Podcast. He stayed with the company 13 years. It was called Globant, and during his years there, it went [from $2 million in revenue to a US public listing in 2014](https://www.wizeline.ai/ceo-andres-angelani/?ref=ceo.com). He has spent the two decades since doing versions of the same job. He ran Softvision and sold it to Cognizant, then ran Cognizant's digital engineering business worldwide. He sat on the board of Speedcast and ran its digital transformation. In April 2024, Wizeline hired him as CEO. He was four months into that job when he spoke with the CEO.com Podcast, and he has since finished it. Wizeline [named Inés Casares](https://www.wizeline.ai/wizeline-names-ines-casares-as-chief-executive-officer/?ref=ceo.com) his successor in May. In June 2026, 3Pillar [announced him as its chief executive](https://www.3pillar.ai/news/3pillar-names-andres-angelani-ceo-and-launches-helixai/?ref=ceo.com).

Wizeline builds software for companies whose business is something other than software: a newsroom, a streaming service, a bank, a retailer. The work ranges from consumer apps to data infrastructure, and the media practice runs from newsroom tooling through content management to the streaming layer. When Angelani arrived, the company had roughly 2,000 people across several countries and a client base of established businesses that needed to ship faster than they could on their own. Most of the AI work in 2024 was newsroom copilots and live transcription tools that categorize content and draft social posts. He was firm that none of it ran unsupervised. It writes in the journalist's voice, he said, and the journalist decides what gets published.

A year later, he was telling [Hispanic Executive](https://hispanicexecutive.com/andres-angelani-wizeline/?ref=ceo.com) that the traditional services model would not survive long term and that Wizeline had to put skin in the game with what he called augmented agents. By March 2026, the company had [expanded its AI training program through DataCamp](https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2026/03/20/3259938/0/en/wizeline-partners-with-datacamp-to-scale-company-wide-ai-upskilling-making-every-role-ai-native.html?ref=ceo.com) to cover finance, marketing, and operations staff, not just engineers. The 3Pillar hire is the same bet with a platform attached. On the day it announced him, the company also launched HelixAI, which it describes as an open, composable AI transformation platform for building agentic workflows, and Matt Hankins, a managing director of private equity firm H.I.G. Advantage who sits on 3Pillar's board, cited his record scaling services companies and his hands-on work with agentic transformation as the reasons for the hire.

That is the résumé. The more interesting material is what Angelani has learned about himself in the course of building it.

He is, by his own account, a person with two speeds, fast and stopped. Before he was ever a CEO, he was senior enough that his pace set the pace for many other people, and he did not notice. Things started going wrong. People fell out of sync, missed what was happening, got frustrated, and he could not see why until he understood that he was part of it.

"The things that we do as CEOs multiply downstream," he said. "And the negative stuff multiplies very, very quickly. So it's very important to watch how you feel because that is immediately picked up. People are always looking at you, and they might be silent, they might be quiet, it doesn't matter, it ripples."

That idea explains most of how he runs a company. He watches the energy in a meeting room to see whether people are contributing or whether the meeting has turned into his own solo performance. He limits one-on-ones with his direct reports because seven private conversations produce seven uncoordinated plans, and he prefers a single 90-minute Monday session where everyone hears the same thing. At Wizeline, he set up a CEO office that managed not just his calendar but his entire executive team's, so nobody could drift. He is anxious when people are quiet.

Four months in, they were still quiet. He could feel it. "People don't know you yet, and they don't know me yet because this is my fourth month, there is an element of fear, and I pick up on it." Some people relax quickly with a new boss, and some take a long time, and he described the job as tolerating the gap until everyone is speaking freely. He was on his way to Guadalajara, where Wizeline has its largest office, to sit with the team and work out how mentoring and promotion would actually function, because at most companies those things exist in the HR manual and nowhere else.

Asked for the three traits a leader needs, he gave excellence over ego, listening, and community, and then complicated the first one. He said he can be very aggressive about raising the bar and that this can be mistaken for control. From where he sits, the difference is that he isn't doing it because it feels good.

He is a trained engineer and keeps up with code on YouTube, lately to understand what generative AI is doing to it. He also watches amateur historians argue about the past, not to adopt their conclusions but to see how they got there. He is on LinkedIn and almost nothing else. Posting gives him stress. He reads the New York Times and lives in WhatsApp groups with friends from his Argentine high school, and he said that at some point he simply stopped publishing his life. His wife gave him The 48 Laws of Power. He read it with interest and does not recommend following it.

On whether CEOs should speak publicly about elections and the economy, he said yes, then argued that the wrong ones are usually the ones speaking. Public company chiefs get the coverage because they are large and regulated, while private equity, which he said holds most of the wealth, produces executives who rarely get asked. Many of the CEOs who do seek out the press, in his view, have something to gain from it. He would like to hear from more people with nothing riding on the answer.

Angelani lives in New York with his wife, Laura, four kids, and two dogs. He runs most days, having given up CrossFit as too intense for his age. He has played piano since he was five and says it puts his brain on a different wave, closer to meditation than practice. When he hits saturation, which he has learned to recognize, he takes a morning off, sometimes a full day.

He has smaller remedies too. He will walk into a movie theater in the middle of a workday and watch something alone. He will go get an ice cream. "Little things in life are the ones that make you when you are stressed," he said. "Just cheat a bit."

```chapters
00:00:00 Andres' Journey to Becoming CEO
00:01:54 What Wizeline Does
00:03:32 AI's Role in Media and Productivity
00:05:40 A Day in the Life of a CEO
00:09:11 Best Leadership Advice on Energy
00:11:51 Reading Recommendations and Learning Habits
00:16:40 Three Key Leadership Traits
00:22:06 Staying Grounded and Balanced
00:24:36 Essential Daily Apps and Tools
00:26:55 The Role of CEOs in Society
00:30:35 Giving and Receiving Opportunities
```

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