Lauren Leader thinks you should run for something

When Lauren Leader ran for her town board in Harrison, New York, women kept telling her they could never do what she was doing. Then she would find out they were on the PTA.

"You want to talk about vicious, hand-to-hand combat politics, spend some time on a PTA," she told the CEO.com Podcast. "They got nothing on running for office."

Leader is the co-founder and CEO of All In Together, a nonpartisan nonprofit founded in 2014 to train women in civic participation and leadership. She came out of management consulting, with stints at Booz & Company, Deloitte and Oliver Wyman, and she still advises companies on leadership and inclusion. She has been a weekly contributor to Morning Joe since 2017. She spoke with CEO.com on October 18, 2021, while serving as an elected councilwoman in Harrison, a seat she held from 2019 to 2023.

The PTA line is a joke with a point under it. Women will fight hard when they think the fight is worth it. The story they have been told about politics is that it isn't. Leader's counter is that a town board controls tens of millions of dollars, decides where the stop signs go, oversees the police and the fire department, and in Harrison that fall had spent a lot of meetings on sewer rates. Not glamorous. Still the job.

"As long as the good people think it's not worth it, we're going to self-fulfill that prophecy. That's how we wind up with a lot of really nutty, fringe people who are absolutely up for themselves and not out for the good of the country in high office."

The numbers she works from cut both ways. When women run, she said, they win at the same rate as men. They just don't run. In 2021, exactly one state, Nevada, had a majority-women legislature, and Congress, she noted, had never cracked 30 percent.

She grew up in Washington, D.C., where both parents worked in public service, and she describes a one-industry town the way people from Los Angeles describe the film business. You end up in it. What pulled her toward women specifically was watching how many of them didn't seem to mind that decisions were being made without them.

That's also the argument of her 2016 book, Crossing the Thinnest Line, which makes the economic case rather than the moral one: the country leaves money on the table when it leaves people out, and the biggest group left out is women. Asked whether five years and a pandemic had changed her mind, she said the pandemic had made it worse.

Her explanation is blunt. The United States has no universal childcare, but it did have public schools, which functioned as the closest thing. Then it closed them. "We completely wiped out the one remaining source of reliable support for working women." France, she noted, shut nearly everything and kept the schools open. She expects the closures to be remembered as one of the worst decisions of the era, and not only for the women who left the workforce. Kids lost a year. The parents who stayed employed could not put in the hours they had before.

The one change she counts as a gain is that nobody she knows in professional work expects to go back to five days in the office. The fathers who spent 2020 at Little League don't want the 5 a.m. train back. She thinks CEOs waiting for a return to the jacket-on-the-chair, 40 to 60 hours a week model of commitment are waiting for something that is not coming.

Her fix is paid leave and affordable childcare, and she insists on calling both infrastructure. At the time of the interview, the Build Back Better Act included a 12-week paid leave program run through Social Security. Only about 30 percent of Americans had any paid leave at all, she said, and workers at companies under 50 people had no protected leave of any kind. "It's unconscionable that we've never done this."

The House passed the bill on November 19, 2021, with paid leave cut to four weeks. It died in the Senate a month later. There is still no federal paid leave.

On CEOs, Leader is more generous than most people in her line of work. She works with a lot of them, and she gives particular credit to the white men who have put their own careers behind diversity commitments rather than delegating them. When she was asked how to tell a company that means it from one doing public relations, she said some of it is PR, and she doesn't care much. "You're making a difference, you're doing something positive that you probably wouldn't have done otherwise, it's enough positive in my book."

The social platforms were a harder question, and she was open that Facebook and Twitter funded All In Together at the time. She thought the criticism that followed the Wall Street Journal's reporting on Instagram and teenage girls leaned on a limited study, an argument Facebook itself made in its response. Her own comparison was the Victoria's Secret catalog that arrived at her house through her whole childhood. "Every woman I know, my age, found that the Victoria's Secret catalog was absolutely devastating to their self-esteem."

What she wanted the companies to do more was threats. Between the television work and the town board, she had received enough of them, some directed at her children, that she hired security for her house. Every woman in Congress she knew had done the same. She gave Twitter credit for banning political ads in 2019, a decision she read as an admission that the company could not police the truth of what it was selling, and she wanted the same seriousness applied to violence.

The last question was about people fired for old posts. Her corporate clients have strict social media policies, courts have upheld them, and she expects more of that. She also thinks the mob usually goes too far. "I don't think it's fair to hold somebody accountable for the rest of their lives for the thing they did at 16." Monica Lewinsky's TED Talk, The Price of Shame, changed how she thinks about public humiliation, and she recommended it.

When she recorded this, Leader was the only woman on the Harrison town board. Four women were on the ballot that November. Her bio now says there are three.

00:00:00 Introducing Lauren Leader
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00:11:13 Paid Leave As Infrastructure
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00:15:02 Why Lauren Entered Politics
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00:22:44 Local Service Versus Running For Office
00:27:30 CEOs Leading On Diversity
00:31:11 Corporate Responsibility Or PR
00:35:56 Tech Platforms And Free Speech
00:38:16 Cancel Culture And Second Chances

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