DSG Global CEO Aileen Alexander: Inside the world's largest woman-founded search firm
DSG Global's CEO on humility, adaptability, and the human skills no technology replaces.
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Aileen Alexander Never Planned to Be a CEO
Aileen Alexander gets up before everyone else. Her team teases her about the hour, which she calls "O dark 30." That is an Army phrase. Alexander served on active duty as a Signal Corps officer after college, several careers ago. The phrase stayed.
She now runs DSG Global, the largest woman-founded executive search firm in the world. "Never thought about becoming and being a CEO," she said on the CEO.com Podcast. "But I have been drawn to leadership throughout my career."
After the Army came graduate school, then defense policy work at the Pentagon, then a staff job on the House Armed Services Committee. About 15 years ago she moved into executive search, first at Heidrick & Struggles in Washington, then at Korn Ferry, where she co-launched the firm's Global Cybersecurity Practice. "We recruit recruiters," she said. DSG recruited her.
The firm has its own strange history. In 1974, Judith "Judee" von Seldeneck invested in a small Philadelphia firm dedicated to finding jobs for women. It became Diversified Search Group, now DSG Global, a top 10 US search firm that reaches more than 30 countries through the AltoPartners alliance and has acquired seven firms since 2016.
Alexander wasn't looking for a job when it found her. She was taking stock. "I love doing client work and problem-solving and advising those clients, but I missed being in that leadership seat," she said. A call came about a firm she had long admired, less for what it did than for how. "A very values-based organization." Looking back, she sees the whole winding resume differently now. "Some of the learnings, some of the scar tissue, so to speak, that looking back was preparing me for this role in business."
For the firm's 50th anniversary, she and von Seldeneck wrote Deliberately Different: Fifty Years. Two Generations. Leading in a Changing World. Von Seldeneck started on Capitol Hill in the 1960s, against civil rights and Vietnam. Alexander started in the late 1990s. "We had this opportunity to reflect on our careers as well and what we've learned from them, but also what we're learning from one another," she said.
Her industry gets misread as transactional, she argues. "We find ourselves in boardrooms, we find ourselves working with CEOs and other leaders, and before we even get to the recruitment, we're often taking a step back to really understand what's happening within that particular sector or industry or with that organization." The work does not end at the hire, either. "Once we recruit a leader, we tend not to go away."
Her own path would have hurt her a decade ago. "Just 10 years ago from a recruiting perspective, if we saw too many pivots, too many moves, we started to second-guess that," she said. Now executives cross from industry to industry, from public companies to private ones, and CEOs rise out of HR, technology, marketing, and digital. "There's become more of an acceptance that that variety of experiences is what's needed to really stay nimble."
The same widening applies to AI. Curiosity about it no longer stops with the CTO, she said. It extends to chief marketing officers, chief people officers, and CFOs, who are now expected to bring "some sense of curiosity to understand what it is and what it isn't." DSG's research with The Harris Poll found 56% of leaders prioritizing data security and IP protection, and Alexander points to a second opportunity: upskilling leadership teams and succession planning with intention. She counts herself among the Gen Xers still wrapping her arms around the technology. Her teenagers keep her on her toes. "We are in the human business," she said. "The human skills still matter in this environment."
Every conversation on the CEO.com Podcast ends with the same question, built on the belief that the chances one gives are just as important as the chances one takes: Who gave you a chance?
"There's so many in my life, but I really do need to acknowledge our founder, Judee von Seldeneck," Alexander said. "It is not lost on me the impact that she's had, the barriers that she broke, and that ripple effect in leadership, and also in particular, what that means for me as a woman and as a CEO. And she made a bet on me, and I'm incredibly grateful to her for that."
00:00:00 Introduction to Aileen Alexander
00:00:32 Aileen's Path to Becoming CEO
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00:11:24 Essential Qualities for Modern Leaders
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Aileen K. Alexander is the Chief Executive Officer of DSG (Diversified Search Group), the world’s largest woman-founded executive search firm.
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